Right on Hillary!!!

by alvic63, Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:53:30 PM EST

Clinton said she'd seen in the media that "my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter."

"Well, that's not my experience," she continued. "As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They're working hard every day for a better future for themseves and their children."

"Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them. They need a president who stands up for them, who fights for them, who works hard for your futures, your jobs, and your families," she said, implicitly casting Obama as an elitist.

Enough said!!!
Hillary Rocks




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Re: Right on Hillary!!! (2.00 / 1)

How are you going to fight for these people if you ignore/disregard the very real anger and frustration they feel toward economic policies that make their lives more difficult?

Telling people "gee whizz, you sure are swell" may be good politics, but it does nothing to address head-on real issues that can cause true-life frustration and, yes, bitterness.


by davisb on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:56:49 PM EST

Re: Right on Hillary!!! (none / 0)

Pandering is a good thing now.  Didn't you get the memo?  ;)


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:09:37 PM EST
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Re: Right on Hillary!!! (none / 0)

Since when have the Clinton's pandered to working class voters.  This is the most reliable voting group for her and the think she and Bill are icon's.  Bill Clinton did more to help working class voters than any president since LBJ.  

Now might be a good time to bring up race or maybe start the bonsia and HRC is s liar meme.  But we can all agree that BO and his supporters will not take any responsiblity for this or say BO misspoke.  Being BO meand never having to say i was wrong.

david


by giusd on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:23:49 PM EST
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Thank you.. (none / 0)

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Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:26:03 PM EST
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Re: Right on Hillary!!! (none / 0)

Yeah.  NAFTA helped a whole lot in PA:

Pennsylvania has been especially hard hit by foreign trade. More than 44,000 jobs were lost due to NAFTA since it took effect in 1994. Another 78,000 Pennsylvania jobs were lost to China since 2001.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:34:40 PM EST
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Re: Right on Hillary!!! (none / 0)

Could you show some proof or evidence that NAFTA has resulted in the lose of jobs in PA.  Most of the jobs lost in PA are unionized jobs that went to asia.  But lets not let facts get in the way.

david


by giusd on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:51:18 PM EST
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ignore fogiv (1.00 / 4)

he's just trying to change the subject which is the   ignorant elitist ramblings of Obama who is so out of touch he thinks it is a good idea to call people whose votes he wants, racist, bitter and ignorant.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:02:20 PM EST
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Re: ignore fogiv (none / 0)

Uh, actually, I've done none of that.  I did handily refute one of your oft-repated falsehoods, which has clearly ruffled your feathers.

Feel free to mischaracterize, spin, even outright lie about Obama, his supporters, or even me, if it makes you feel special.  

God bless America.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:14:31 PM EST
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Re: ignore fogiv (none / 0)

a good idea to call people whose votes he wants, racist, bitter and ignorant
If you heard or read Obama's entire speech & got that out of it, I just don't know what to say.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 09:43:26 PM EST
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Re: Right on Hillary!!! (none / 0)

Indeed.  Let's not let facts get in the way:

NAFTA Resulted in a Loss of More Than a Million Jobs. From 1993 through 2004, the United States lost 1,015,290 jobs due to NAFTA. [Robert E. Scott and David Ratner, "NAFTA's Cautionary Tale--Recent history suggests CAFTA could lead to further U.S. job displacement," Economic Policy Institute, 7/20/05]

Now, there's no doubt that NAFTA is a complicated and highly nuanced debate.  It has become the "scapegoat by proxy" for much economic woe.  Still there's a relatively strong argument that it has hurt PA.  Not as much as job loss to Asia, on that you're correct.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:10:34 PM EST
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Re: Right on Hillary!!! (none / 0)

Are you high. Bill clinton passed the Repug NAFTA bill.
by lion king on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:56:46 PM EST
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what nonsense (none / 0)

Clinton is not ignoring anything. She is the only one who has a real economic plan that will help them. She is not the one who talks about the problems of NAFTA and then through back channels to Canada, assures them she doesn't mean it.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:34:24 PM EST
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Re: what nonsense (2.00 / 1)

Oopsies!

Mr. Brodie, during the media lockup for the Feb. 26 budget, stopped to chat with several journalists, and was surrounded by a group from CTV.

The conversation turned to the pledges to renegotiate the North American free-trade agreement made by the two Democratic contenders, Mr. Obama and New York Senator Hillary Clinton.

Mr. Brodie, apparently seeking to play down the potential impact on Canada, told the reporters the threat was not serious, and that someone from Ms. Clinton's campaign had even contacted Canadian diplomats to tell them not to worry because the NAFTA threats were mostly political posturing.

The Canadian Press cited an unnamed source last night as saying that several people overheard the remark.

The news agency quoted that source as saying that Mr. Brodie said that someone from Ms. Clinton's campaign called and was "telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt."


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:38:24 PM EST
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I am totally uninterested (none / 0)

in anything you have to say.  Go troll rate some people for not liking Obama and stop wasting time posting silly points that deny reality.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:55:22 PM EST
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Re: I am totally uninterested (2.00 / 1)

Unlike some I don't abuse TR's.  People get them when they deserve them.  

I'm sorry that posting points that shatter your "hillaryhub" based reality are bothersome, but when you lie over and over, I'd think you'd begin to get used to it.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:01:29 PM EST
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Re: what nonsense (none / 0)

No she just claims she against free trade with Columbia while both her husband and her campaign manager were being paid by Columbia to promote the issue.
by lion king on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 08:12:06 PM EST
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Re: Right on Hillary!!! (1.00 / 1)

Shut up Hillary.  Stop ruining our chances to pick up seats in the House and Senate.  Just go away.  


by Toddwell on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:57:07 PM EST

You shut up (none / 0)

Has Hillary Clinton ever listened when someone has told her to STFU? Nope. And she sure as hell isn't going to do it for some whining Obamite.
by linc on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:29:04 PM EST
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Re: Right on Hillary!!! (none / 0)

shut up and sit down Todd. You are hurting out chances of picking up congressional seats.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:38:08 PM EST
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Re: Right on Hillary!!! (2.00 / 1)

Yeah- She's my candidate.  Proud to be a supporter.


by darlamc on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:10:49 PM EST

Thanks alvic63, (2.00 / 1)

Just how I feel.  Your diary ties into my signature line quite well.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:12:21 PM EST

Re: Right on Hillary!!! (none / 0)

Yep..no one in Pa
is
Bitter about the war
Bitter about health care costs
Bitter about gas costs
Bitter about wages and lay-offs
Bitter about global warming..
everyone there is ah happy..

"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:16:33 PM EST

Nice try (none / 0)

you and Obama might think those simpletons in PA would fall for this sort of spin, but its just not the case. Working class people deserve better than to be talked down to. They make this country go.
by linc on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:31:06 PM EST
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Re: Right on Hillary!!! (none / 0)

She was referring to Obama's statement that they were bitter, clung to religion and guns and had antipathy for anyone not like them, and were anti-immigrant....
she's raising them up from being doomed by their economic situation to resilent in the face of adversity.
by Justwords on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:32:32 PM EST
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that is not what Obama said (none / 0)

what he said is that because white folks in Pa lost jobs they use guns, religion and RACISM, to make themselves feel less bitter.

He is calling people uninformed bigoted, clinging to guns and religion,  and perpetually unemployed.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:43:58 PM EST
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Re: that is not what Obama said (none / 0)

I agree that it wasn't politically smart. But, frankly, it's a common political analysis.  Isn't this the core argument of "What's the Matter with Kansas?"


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:50:27 PM EST
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Re: that is not what Obama said (none / 0)

I doubt many Republicans have read "What's The Matter with Kansas"


by amiches on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 08:43:23 PM EST
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Re: Right on Hillary!!! (2.00 / 1)

So people aren't bitter? I'm confused. I thought we were bitter and pissed from 8 years of Bush.


by DamnYankees on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:17:17 PM EST

Re: Right on Hillary!!! (1.00 / 2)

nice side lateral arabesque.  You have changed the meaning and intent of what Obama said.
what he said was elitist, bigoted and shallow.
DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:45:22 PM EST
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Thank you Hillary (1.33 / 3)

I found what Obama said so bigoted and ignorant it was astounding.  It was the most arrogant and patronizing thing he has said yet with the except of the cracks about tea with foreign dignitaries.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:48:05 PM EST

Re: Thank you Hillary (none / 0)

Are you familiar with political analysis that compares people by area? If so, you would see this as part of that tradition.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:51:31 PM EST
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Re: Right on Hillary!!! (none / 0)

Yeah! We love our disintegrating ex-steel mill towns, rising gas prices, unaffordable mortgages, and the fact that our take-home pay goes down every year! It's practically Morning in America, and how dare that Black Nationalist Christian Muslim Effete Liberal Latte-Drinking Prius Driving Birkenstock Wearing elitist say otherwise!

(fact: 7% of Democrats in PA are optimistic about the country's direction)


by amiches on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 08:46:06 PM EST

Re: Right on Hillary!!! (none / 0)

While I applaud her statements about PA, I condemn her eagerness to willfully misrepresent the "bitter" remark.  She knew what was said, and she knew what the context and meaning were; but she opted to echo the ridiculous wingnut spin instead.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 09:39:38 PM EST


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