Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME

If this doesn't convince the superdelegates that this man is unelectable, I think we have to abolish the superdelegate system for their blatant inability to understand the political realties of our country.

There's no way he can win Missouri, Ohio or Pennsylvania in the general election.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 408/Obama_on_smalltown_PA_Clinging_relig ion_guns_xenophobia.html



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Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (1.66 / 3)

yep-its everywhere now-on drudge, du etc.. will msm pick it up?


by art3 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:16:03 PM EST

pbonefullgrown, What Is It With You? (none / 0)

Are you begging to be reported for ratings abuse?  If so, I'd be happy to oblige.

Uprated to cancel totally inappropriate TR.


by creeper1014 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:28:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (1.75 / 4)

his comments-
You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
That's a pretty broad list of things to explain with job loss.


by art3 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:16:38 PM EST

I thought he now was (2.00 / 1)

opposed to bad trade agreements like Colombia.

What's with the "anti-trade sentiment.


by TomP on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:24:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Uh, not all trade is evil (none / 0)

in fact.. I think America benefits from trade (forgive me if I'm wrong).

You just need to enforce good standards, like.. human rights and all that shtick.


by grass on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:22:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thats a BIG 'if' (none / 0)

Easier said than done.. still, it needs to be done.

We could improve ourselves, too..

yes, we need trade, yes, we need jobs..

we need more trade 'equity'..

we also need to put a lot more money into education and infrastructure, so we can compete.

We are not the only game in town anymore.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:47:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thats a BIG 'if' (none / 0)

"We are not the only game in town anymore."

America never was the only game in town, it's just that it has realised that it's number 30 or something in math, its health care sucks and foreign countries have been quietly tackling the energy crisis we are about to face.


by grass on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:20:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Since when has context mattered in this race? (2.00 / 2)

He called a bunch of working class people with genuine fears about the economy- stupid for 'clinging to guns or religion'- in front of a bunch of 'san fran. librals' to top it off. What on god's green earth does 'cling[ing]' to guns and/or religion have to do economic job loss. What on gods green earth was he thinking?

Dear lord, and this man thinks he can be elected POTUS?

I cannot wait for the reasoning. Boy oh boy.
by linc on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:40:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

he's stupid.. (2.00 / 1)

He's black but he really doesn't have more than a superficial understanding of the hardships that MOST of us are facing and thats a very bad omen.

I really hope he doesn't get the nomination.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:49:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And NO, obama fans, that was NOT a racist remark.. (2.00 / 1)

I was saying that since he was black I would hope that he would understand, he should understand, but he doesn't.

:(


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:51:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Since when has context mattered in this race? (none / 0)

He called them stupid? Really?

For what it's worth, the Center for Rural Pennsylvania released "An Attitudinal Survey of Pennsylvania's Rural Residents" in 2000 that found that job loss and economic uncertainty was the number one concern affecting these people, and participation in church was the number one community activity. So, according to this research, rural Pennsylvanians ARE concerned about job loss and DO turn to religion as a means to cope.  


by jdusek on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 08:13:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

TR'd???? (none / 0)

phonefullgrown, go away until you understand the TR guidelines.  This entire post, save the last line, was a direct quote of Obama.


by creeper1014 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:20:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (2.00 / 3)

If you read the entirety of his remarks, it's pretty clear what he was saying.

But what the hell, this is Gotchaville - BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!!!


by amiches on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:16:57 PM EST

Ha! Ha, ha, ha, ha! (2.00 / 2)

Context- read the entirety of Clinton's remarks about LBJ and JFK and then get back to me about context.
by linc on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:41:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ha! Ha, ha, ha, ha! (none / 0)

So you adhere to the 'two wrongs DO make a right' theory?

Good to know.


by Kysen on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:51:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I am sure you were right there (2.00 / 2)

defending Clinton based on the context. Give me a break.
by linc on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:58:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I am sure you were right there (none / 0)

I'll take that as a yes.


by Kysen on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:13:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

truth hurts they need to deal with it.

people need to stop blaming immigrants for everything.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:17:05 PM EST

That is one of the most classist (2.00 / 1)

things I have read in a while. Who are these people you refer to? Working class people in Pennsylvannia? Working class democrats? People without jobs that need them and fear for their families future?

I didn't know that we Democrats really had a problem with immigrants or immigration...


by linc on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:45:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: That is one of the most classist (none / 0)

come to PA, you'll hear alot of anti-immigration, xenophobia from democrats.  we only think of democrats as the people who visit blogs, but the truth is the vast majority of democrats do no visit these blogs.  Im not saying all dems are xenophobic in PA, but even at my work i hear alot of things that make me cringe from coworkers who are democrats, some people here blame the puerto ricans for everything...everything.


by nick in pa on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:02:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

oh man Obama is going to lose the parent vote also!!!

Obama Tells Parents: 'Don't Blame The Teacher And The Government...If You're Not Doing Your Job'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/11 /obama-urges-parental-resp_n_96216.html

damnit Obama you are suppose to say what people want to hear!! not the truth!!

especially not to democrats we HATE the truth!!!!!


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:19:01 PM EST

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (2.00 / 2)

Nice to see a politician tell the truth for a change.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:20:15 PM EST

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (2.00 / 2)

apparently its not, it seems we democrats HATE anyone who would dare tell us the truth.

heh and I thought we were the party that understood that immigrants aren't always to blame, wow, maybe Democrats and Republicans AREN'T so different?


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:23:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (2.00 / 1)

Thats not the truth, thats foolishness.

His campaign will apologize and clarify this statement, no doubt about it.

Its sad to see that some people believe that garbage though.  I think if Obama realized what he said, he wouldn't even believe it.  Politicians mess up though, it happens.  For you to defend it as truth though is sad.


by njc2b5 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:39:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (2.00 / 1)

His campaign will apologize.

This is something i doubt.  Being BO means never having to apologize.  I HRC has to admit misstatements not BO.  He is above that.

david


by giusd on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:29:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

really? you think religions and guns (none / 0)

are about job loss? Xenophobia, i agree, but religion and guns???? both of those have been around a long time before Americans started losing jobs overseas...


DEMOCRATIC 08!
by rigsoHC on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:43:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: really? you think religions and guns (none / 0)

In the face of adversity, in this case decades worth of economic woe (including the much vaunted Clinton years) SOME people to have a tendency to cling to things that they feel empower them.  In rural PA, gun/hunting culture and religion fit the bill rather nicely.  As does a certain amount of xenophobia.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:59:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: really? you think religions and guns (none / 0)

But he, and you to my reading, imply that gun/hunting and religion are bad things. That there is something implicitly bad about rural culture. It is not my cup of tea but I won't begrudge them their culture. And certainly not because it doesn't produce an Obama vote.


by ineedalife on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 09:20:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: really? you think religions and guns (none / 0)

I imply neither.  Nor does Obama, IMO.  I was raised in just such a community, although not in Pennsylvania, and have seen firsthand the very attitudes he describes in both friends and family.

Cultural and religious beliefs that are good in and of themselves can ultimately become debilitating if used as a shield against the real adversities that face us.  Much harm can be done in the name of good.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 02:25:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Doom! Doom! (none / 0)

Thing is, he's still beating Hillary like a drum. Too bad for you.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:20:38 PM EST

Re: Doom! Doom! (none / 0)

Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuOTkrEVe b4


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:02:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Doom! Doom! (none / 0)

Only because he's outspending her 3:1. And good for him, fundraising is part of politics. But the thing is, he won't have that advantage against McCain. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the point we've been trying to make. The advantages he has enjoyed all along --Organizing in low turnout caucuses, the desire to have a black president, money -- are just not advantages in general elections. But then he wouldn't know that, never having run one.


by ColoradoGuy on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:53:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Doom! Doom! (none / 0)

haha i like when you blame it on him outspending her, what hes doing is out raising her, which is kinda a essential part of the campaign, and is another sign of hows hes stronger as a campaigner.  Its not like hillary doesnt want to be spending more on ads.  damn those million + citizens who decided to give him a few dollars!! <snark> the system is fixed and unfair! </snark>


by nick in pa on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:07:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Doom! Doom! (none / 0)

Interesting, though, that his 3-to-1 outspending is NOT getting him 3 times the support or the votes.  Yeah?


by Montague on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:31:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

Bob Barr and Joh McCain will split the anti-immigrant and NRA vote . . . so this isn't a big deal . . . unless you fall into one of those categories.


by FOB92 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:26:13 PM EST

He's DOOMED! (2.00 / 1)

DOOMED, I tell you!

DOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!


by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:26:55 PM EST

Re: He's DOOMED! (none / 0)

No, he's not doomed.  He's well off enough that he'll be fine, regardless.   But a lot of regular Americans are going to be doomed come November.


by Montague on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:33:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Weak (none / 0)

not worth half your conniption.


by Bee on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:27:49 PM EST

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

The superdelegates don't care who is "electable", they care about who will help with their own reelection.  


by Toddwell on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:28:37 PM EST

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

Thats completely wrong.

Each superdelegate cares about different things, you can't group everyone into one basket.


by njc2b5 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:41:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (2.00 / 2)

You might want to add this to your diary:

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

(sic on the gonna)


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:29:38 PM EST

You just know that the minute this hypocrite gets (2.00 / 1)

the nomination he will start touting the Clinton administration as the time of milk and honey and a shining example of what Democrats can do for the country. Now it is infuriating to see how casually he refers to it as a dark age in America.

Fortunately everyone knows how hard Hillary works for Upstate New York which is in the same economic condition as rural Rust Belt states everywhere.


by ineedalife on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 09:14:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Free Translation: (none / 0)

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

"All those people with pink slips are just a bunch of bible-thumping, gun-toting cop-outs."

I believe he did not intend it this way.  I also believe it's exactly what those people heard.  And I'm afraid we're going to see more of this shooting from the lip...not less.


by creeper1014 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:43:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (2.00 / 2)

This is definitely not good. I can't quite judge it's impact yet, but you can't be a presidential candidate and a psychiatrist at the same time.

This really could be damaging, but looking at the historical picture, I don't seeing this hurt his chances in the dem nomination.  Dean made similar comments about southerners in the 2004 election, and his quote was actually more memorable and outright awful.  It didn't kill his campaign, but other issues did.

One things for sure, this is about the worst thing I've seen come from Obama to date.  Its the type of thing energizes the other side, and it's what we don't need right now with McCain unable to energize his base himself.


by njc2b5 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:31:27 PM EST

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (2.00 / 1)

If Hillary is the nominee, McCain wont need to energize his base.  She will do it for him.  


by Toddwell on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:32:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (2.00 / 1)

Umm not sure what that has to do with my comment, but whatever.


by njc2b5 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:40:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

Hopefully the superdelegates will elect Hillary and overturn the will of the millions of people who voted so everyone and not just FL and MI will be disenfranchised.  AMIRITE?


by mefck on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:32:24 PM EST

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

"I think we have to abolish the superdelegate system for their blatant inability to understand the political realties of our country."

Please contact Superdelegates for Cllinton.
Tell them they are worthless. The moment they know it is coming from you..wait for the firestorm as they echo your remarks throughout the MSM.


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:33:06 PM EST

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

Senator Obama is right, of course. Let's start with that. He's 100% on the money. Which part is wrong?


by hastingspete on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:33:51 PM EST

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

I have found 2 types of responses

Democrats - he is right and its time we started having real dicussions about things like this

Republicans - he is attacking us with his elitist Washington attitude.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:37:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hmm (none / 0)

Do you have any disagreement with what Obama said?


I'm only a click away
by juliewolf on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:42:27 PM EST

Re: Hmm (2.00 / 1)

I disagree with it 100%.  Its a very offending statement for those of us who grew up in small towns.  I can't believe anyone would believe something like that.

I'm willing to give Obama the benifit of a doubt, and I think he'll clarify and apologize over this, but why anyone would believe that trash is beyond me.

That does not explain anger for job loss :(


by njc2b5 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:47:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmm (none / 0)

So why don't you explain what you disagree with?


I'm only a click away
by juliewolf on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:49:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmm (none / 0)

so do you believe we don't have a problem with Xenophobia? if so where?

do you think our big cities with lots of different people are sitting there blaming immigrants for jobs and joining the minute men and watching the borders or what?

I mean to disagree with it 100%, means there is absolutely no truth to it whatsoever.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:50:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I grew up in a small town (2.00 / 1)

... and I still live in one, surrounded by lots of farmland. And I think that, as hard as it is to admit it, Obama's right.

In my town, the one-time biggest employer, which has a century's worth of history and helped my town weather the Depression better than most, just pulled out. It's gone. That doesn't really matter, though, because all the jobs except for management had left long ago.

The folks that don't have a job or are barely making it by are in a really rough spot. They feel like the world is out to get them. When they should be voting for Democrats who can invest in the communities and bring help, they're voting for Republicans. Why? Because they've bought the line the GOP has been feeding them, which is that "outsiders" are trying to destroy the values they hold dear, and those outsiders are liberal Democrats.

It fits perfectly with the feeling of economic helplessness. The jobs are gone, the world is changing quickly, and the news over-hypes stuff like gay marriage as the end of the world. So when the GOP comes and says that the Democrats want to abolish religion and take away your guns, you might be a little bit more likely to accept that message.

The world is changing (and, for your small town, possibly falling apart), and all you've got to cling to are the few things which seem to remain constant. Those are often things like religion, hunting and other traditional activities, and the homogeneous community to which you belong.

Obama's right. I'm sorry if it offended you, and maybe he could have said it more tactfully, but this is something we need to address in America.


Walberg Watch - Following Radical Conservative Rep. Tim Walberg in MI-07
by Fitzy on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:21:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I grew up in a small town (none / 0)

So did I.  I still live here.  We residents of East Jesus are nowhere near as ignorant as we look.

The implication was that clinging to guns and religion was a direct result of being unemployed.  Read the quote again.  It doesn't refer to people turning to religion for comfort but to them "clinging" to it...and guns, for crying out loud.

People in this town go to church and hunt.  They've been doing it for the two hundred fifty years that this place has been in existence.  They will probably continue to do it for the next two hundred fifty.  Being laid off (which is not uncommon around here, either) has no direct connection with either.

Completely thoughtless remark.  But maybe a window into Mr. Obama's thinking?


by creeper1014 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:54:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmm (2.00 / 1)

Well for one it is sort of a "you people" statement that instantly gets someone labelled as a racist if they talk about black people like a group of lab animals.

See if it passes the smell test if you change the setting to a depressed inner city and change the crutches to drug culture and crime. Then go ask for votes. I don't think so.

Hunting and religion have been staples of rural culture during good and bad economic times for as long as the country has existed. But it wouldn't have sounded as good to just say they are xenophobic. So he threw in two virtues to try and bamboozle us rubes. It isn't working.


by ineedalife on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 09:33:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Not his fault (2.00 / 1)

if the statement was made under sniper fire at 11:00 at night.


by PD1769 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:50:09 PM EST

to the diarist (none / 0)

You do realize that if superdelegates were banished... Obama would be winning by even MORE than he is now... right?

You do realize that Sen. Clinton is the one that the people chose to reject... right?


by RidleyGriff on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:53:00 PM EST

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (2.00 / 1)

Are you people freaking kidding me.  This is a big deal.  Are you f'n kidding me?

What a freaking joke.  


by RussTC3 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:05:54 PM EST

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

So the reason people are religious is because they're bitter.  OK.


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:19:54 PM EST

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (2.00 / 2)

Ugh.  All of these types of comments will pop up again in the fall if he is the nominee.  

Obama is very unpolished at times.


by mjc888 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:23:06 PM EST

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

Not that you Obama-haters will care, but I think that the world "cling" is very important here. He didn't say that it causes them to become religious, or anti-immigrant, or pro-gun. He said their frustration with their economic situation makes them cling to wedge issues rather than what should be more important to them.

Remember 2000, remember 2004? People across the country voted against their best interests because of these very issues Obama is talking about. Obama wants to win them over in the GE by convincing them that he will help them economically and that is much more important than these wedge issues.

Democrats used to understand this. Sometime in the last year a lot of ya'll said "fuck it. I don't care about my principles anymore. I'm going to trash Obama every chance I get and hope he loses the GE. Then I will feel vindicated."

Talk about elist snobs. You don't care about small town americans who are concerned about the economy. You are just pretending to be concerned because you think it will help your candidate.


democracy!
by BlueGAinDC on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:31:21 PM EST

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

You appear to be clinging to the notion that "Sometime in the last year a lot of ya'll said "fuck it. I don't care about my principles anymore. I'm going to trash Obama every chance I get and hope he loses the GE. Then I will feel vindicated."

The reason we want Clinton to win the nomination is that we DO, in fact, care about small-town Americans for whom the state of the economy is deadly serious.  


by Montague on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:36:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

If you cared about small town Americans and the state of our economy you would see how important it is for McCain not to become president. Thus, you would stop trashing the likely nominee and stop twisting his words to make him into some evil man who hates have of america. You like Clinton more than Obama, fine. But when you trash continue to trash a Democrat because you are so blinded by your own love for your candidate, I personally believe you are not helping this country or its economic crisis.


democracy!
by BlueGAinDC on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 01:11:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

Oh, come on.  Where did I trash him in that comment?  I am not actually that fond of either candidate.  I certainly don't love Clinton, nor do I hate Obama.  I want us to get the one who'll make a better president, and who has the chance of becoming president.  It's Obama and his people who are destroying our chances of winning the presidency.


by Montague on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 08:17:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Cling" (none / 0)

I decided to look up the word "cling" on dictionary.com.  Had to laugh at definition #4:

4.    to remain attached, as to an idea, hope, memory, etc.: Despite the predictions, the candidate clung to the belief that he would be elected.


by creeper1014 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:01:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (2.00 / 1)

I think the people that choose to be offended, will be offended.
Unfortunately, for those of us who live in small towns, it is somewhat insulting.
Think of it this way- how many of you were offended when that Hillary supporter made the comment  that Obama supporters were all "latte drinking, Prius driving, Birkenstock wearing trust fund babies"?
Can you see what happens when you try and stereotype people and all you end up doing is insulting them?
by skohayes on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:34:59 PM EST

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

That doesn't offend me, although I'm certainly in the demographic. The fact is that the above statement is just untrue, while what Obama said is true.


by amiches on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:40:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

We joke about the people on here being Republican trolls, but sometimes it seems like that's the most plausible explanation for the kinds of comments here. We've all read "What's the Matter with Kansas" right? That's what that book is about. It's unimpeachable truth. The diarist took a phrase out of context to make Obama's statement seem harsher than it actually was, which is de rigeur for Clintonistas, but I cannot believe that on the grandfather of progressive blogs we're debating the substance of what he said.


by amiches on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:37:59 PM EST

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (2.00 / 0)

Does anyone remember the 3 G's from 2004?  The Republicans ramped up wedge issues that dealt with God, guns, and gays and were able to slide key demographics into their column.

Obama's point (I would imagine, since I'm not in his head) is that when people hit rough times in small towns, it's easy to get sucked into wedge issues instead of things that truly effect you.  If people disagree with that, then so be it, but this fake outrage like "Obama hates people that have guns and are religious" is completely dishonest spin.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:55:30 PM EST

Re: Obama BLOWS IT BIG TIME (none / 0)

Meh, let them enjoy. Heck, let them analyse it every which way until they realise it's just getting silly.


by grass on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:22:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well he didn't "blow it" but (none / 0)

you never want to insult voters.  However, it is good that the line is not quotable...it isn't something that sticks in people minds, which tend to be campaign enders.


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:40:29 PM EST

Isn't Obama saying (2.00 / 1)

.... that people handle disappointments ... and broken promises ... by looking around to find someone who looks "different" to blame?  

Surely he doesn't mean that when bad things happen that it's not an okay thing to blame another group for your problems.

And since he's such a strong advocate for religion dealing with community issues, surely he doesn't think that clinging to religion is unfortunate.


by Southern Mouth on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:42:05 PM EST

Echos of Ohio (2.00 / 2)

The people of Ohio were "obsessed" because they did not fall under his spell.

Clinging to guns? That noise is really going to convert some red states to blue this fall. You ever think that rural people like to hunt?

Xenophobia? Nice one Obama. You probably think they are too dumb to realize you just called them a bunch of paranoid bigots. Way to unify. Hint: they know what xenophobia means. They do teach big words in the schools in PA and they have internets.

I think Obama has the Harvard brainiac disease. This elitist discussing about people like they are lab rats tends to turn them off.


by ineedalife on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 09:07:55 PM EST


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